Navigating Uncertainty: How This Product Manager Decided When to Reopen Retail Stores During COVID
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INTERVIEWER
Go to another question. And for this one, this is, I'm looking specifically for a decision where you were the decision maker, right? Um, it doesn't, you know, it could be a very, very narrow thing or as big as you want it to be. Um, but specifically where you had to make a decision and and you didn't have enough data or benchmarks to feel like comfortable making the decision, but you knew the time was kind of of the essence and you had to make, make a call. Um, in the absence of sufficient data, what guided your choice? How did you make the call?
CANDIDATE
So Unfortunately, I guess most of us had to deal with the situation one way or another during COVID, post-COVID era, right? So, um, for me, it was specifically, uh, around our retail strategy, um, you know.
INTERVIEWER
What strategy?
CANDIDATE
The, the, the strategy for opening up, reopening of the retail stores,
INTERVIEWER
um, yeah, OK yeah.
CANDIDATE
Right, so what happened like during lockdown, we locked down as well. Um, we closed all of our stores, but then the question was, you know, how do we open it up? Um, um, and then it was a combination of, you know, uh, factors which we had to consider one, you know, the safety of our own employees, that's important, right? We, we want to make sure we open it up when it's safe to open. Um, second is, you know, are there customers who are going to. You know, we, we're coming into the store, do they feel comfortable enough and, and so. Um, what I had to do there is, uh, pulling, pulling data from different, um, external data from the COVID thing, uh, you know, where the COVID situation is, but that just gives you, you know, um, where the cases are coming in and, and all that stuff. It really didn't get to the point where I could use the data to say, let's open it here because It's turning yellow from red and it makes sense to open because what we were seeing is, these places were there like COVID was very, very, you know, severe, but people still were out and about. Not a good thing, but that's what our customers wanted. versus, you know, COVID might have Been easing up, but your customers are still being careful. Maybe it's the demographics, young versus old. So that, that didn't give me what. So what we had to do is we had to look at alternative or complementary source of data as well. I pulled the network data from, uh, from Verizon and just use that as a combination to say, I see mobility here. Um, I see COVID is there, but it's not as bad that we can't open, and the combination gave us kind of a good indicator to open the store now. The ambiguity part was the network data is not like so. Um, I couldn't get to the store level, right? Because I had to, like, just do this very quickly. So I, I kind of managed it at the county level. That was easy thing to do for the time being, we're looking to make the decision. Um, so that was, that was a trade-off, basically, not, not, not trying to get to the place. But
INTERVIEWER
Your sorry your video broke up there again. So you could do it. It was manageable at the county level but not at the store level. Is that OK, um, so with that in mind. Um, You know, with that in mind, Help me understand how you worked through this problem, right? Because if, if you're like you're, it's a hard look, I can't even, I can only imagine how hard that must have been trying to determine what stores, what retail stores are reopen and the data is sparse, the different data sets state to state, it's all crazy, nothing makes sense. It doesn't even, you can't even like merge the data across states to kind of like a clear picture as to what's happening. Totally get it, very hard problem. Um, but You ultimately, it sounds like, you settled on mobility data, which I'm assuming was pings on the phones moving around the network, you can kind of see how the phones are moving around the network. Cool. What alternatives did you consider? But reject before ultimately determining that that was a good path to to move forward with.
CANDIDATE
Yeah, so generally when it comes to foot traffic, um, it's the pings are not enough because, um, things, so, so I didn't get the ping. What I got Brandon was the handoff between the cell towers. Sure, OK, that was something easily available, um, so what I, what I lost there is if you are within the same cell tower and not doing handoff, I won't get the visibility into that. So that was my, my kind of, you know, uh, trade-off there between speed and accuracy.
INTERVIEWER
And did you consider anything else?
CANDIDATE
Um, we were considering, you know, talking to, to vendor, um, we actually reached out to, um, To, um, uh, I, I personally reach out to MIT as well because MIT was building an application between Bluetooth to Bluetooth to kind of see, you know, how people are moving about and all the things. Um, but I, I think, but they were not even at a point where they could give me anything reliable. So I looked at those things, but they were actually, um, worse than what I had, unfortunately at that time. So I, I couldn't use them. Um, we spoke to a vendor where we use them like for general foot traffic prediction and all that, but they were also at the same point as like, yeah, give us, you know, a couple of weeks and we'll have something for you. But we didn't have a couple of weeks, um, so we had to kind of say, let's use what we have, but we revisited that and we continue with the solution. I can talk about that long, you know, like where we are with that. But, but for that timing, we just made that, that, uh, kind of, you know, I, I made the decision that we
INTERVIEWER
yeah, well, let's hold on. So let's let's talk about that. What, what I guess what was the What was the expeditor? what was causing you to, to make the decision to move forward but to choose this thing like what was driving that? the expedi help me understand that a bit because because if I recall, like it's certainly the front end of COVID. I don't know that people were super excited to go back to to retail stores. So what was the urgency?
CANDIDATE
So urgency was not people going into the store, urgency was people doing in-store pickup. Got it. So a lot of people were like, because they, and they were working from home. Um, actually, we, for us, for, for Telecom and for us particularly, we saw, like, you know, such a spike in demand in products and services just because people were setting up maybe they didn't realize they need another phone, they didn't realize they need Bluetooth headset, things like that. And, and so it's not that they were, they were going to the stores to, to do the shopping, but more like Yeah, I ordered this digitally and unfortunately we don't have Amazon kind of shipping model where we can just ship you overnight. That, that was the thing, so that put strain on us to kind of deliver it to some other.
INTERVIEWER
OK, and so I guess how were you sure at the time and, and once you made a decision, how were you sure that that that using this data was the right data, right, as opposed to, you know, questioning yourself and going and looking for something else.
CANDIDATE
Yeah, I mean, I looked at the alternatives. There's one like we kind of exhausted if we can get anything more granular what I had. Um, so we, we couldn't get to the, uh, to the pings, we couldn't get to the Bluetooth. So the tower handout is is all we had. And I kind of say like if I don't use this data and just use the COVID data, um, versus I complement the COVID data with this, what kind of decisions we'll be making, and I think I was convinced that we'll make a better decision if we combine two or just use one.
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